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AussieTaff
Looks great Godfried - Thanks.

My latest 10K has stuffed up my nice pace curve somewhat ! Looks like Speedy and Carla meet nicely at the Marathon point in the Nonathlon according to the trend lines !!

Martin smile.gif
Sir Pirate
QUOTE (CAROLE MAC @ Oct 23 2004, 12:10 AM)
Morris you ain't to big to take over my knee young man .....

I'm free any time tomorrow Mrs Mac smile.gif

Sir Pirate
Daren C
QUOTE ("AussieTaff")
End Result - 37:28:6 at 152:4 Ave Pace, 28 SPM (except 2:30's !), DF 117 .

1) Classic example of how NOT to row a 10K  ohmy.gif


Hehehe, brilliant, Martin. Good to know that it's not only me that blows up horribly on some rows, and also good to see that you've got the balls to get back on when you fall off. =)

Yesterday, I said:

QUOTE ("Daren C")
39:04.0  (1:57.2).

I'm really pleased because it's a huge chunk off, and my first sub-40, but at the same time I'm a little disappointed because for some of the row I reckoned sub-39 was on the cards. Damn, damn, damn! A mere 4 seconds. That's what, a couple of extra hard strokes in the early part of the row. I'm such a slacker!

I aim to tackle this again and get under 39 minutes soon. Oh yes. Watch this space


Well, you don't have to watch it any longer. If at first you don't succeed, grit your teeth and try again.

Today I rowed a RowPro Internet session. The piece was set for 10k, and after 1000m I felt OK, and it looked like a sub-39 could be on the cards if I worked at it.

Result, a new 10K PB, knocking 29.5 seconds off yesterday's time to finish in...

38:34.5 (1:55.7)

Cue James Brown... I feel good!
Sir Pirate
Daren, You are going like a bullet, pb's everydays. Well done too you, you are putting in the work and getting your efforts rewarded.

Keep it up cool.gif

Sir Pirate
Godfried
QUOTE (Daren C @ Oct 23 2004, 03:11 PM)
38:34.5 (1:55.7)

Good work! Let me see the splits!

And update your Nonathlon , how can a guy do his work like this. smile.gif
seat5
29 seconds!!!!!

Awesome improvement, Daren!!

RowPro sounds like so much fun. One of these days I'll have to upgrade to PM3 so I can use that. It must help to keep going on those 'why am I doing this, anyway?' days.


From your nifty pace/point charts I see my 30 min is overdue for an upgrade! Pace for 10K is 2:05 and it's faster than the 30 min piece. I might not have really noticed that without the chart, thanks for the tool. I'll tackle that tomorrow, I think.

Carla

Daren C
QUOTE (Godfried @ Oct 23 2004, 03:38 PM)
QUOTE (Daren C @ Oct 23 2004, 03:11 PM)
38:34.5 (1:55.7)

Good work! Let me see the splits!

And update your Nonathlon , how can a guy do his work like this. smile.gif

Nonathlon updated! Another 11 points for me. =)

Splits were...

CODE


Dist    Split    SR
-------------------
500     1:58.70  28
1000    1:56.30  30
1500    1:55.80  32
2000    1:55.70  31
2500    1:55.30  32
3000    1:55.00  32
3500    1:55.40  32
4000    1:56.20  32
4500    1:55.80  32
5000    1:56.20  32
5500    1:56.70  32
6000    1:56.50  32
6500    1:56.90  31
7000    1:56.50  32
7500    1:56.50  32
8000    1:56.40  31
8500    1:54.90  31
9000    1:54.80  31
9500    1:54.80  32
10000   1:50.20  33


Pretty even, really. Ramped it up a bit with 2k left, and let rip in the final 200m (1:42 or so I think). That will have only gained me a second or two, but it feels good to sprint home rather than limp. =)
Godfried
QUOTE (AussieTaff @ Oct 23 2004, 09:21 AM)
My latest 10K has stuffed up my nice pace curve somewhat !

No pain , no gain - you just have to do the other distances as well. wink.gif

QUOTE (AussieTaff @ Oct 23 2004, 09:21 AM)
Looks like Speedy and Carla meet nicely at the Marathon point in the Nonathlon according to the trend lines !

I am afraid they aren't going to do that distance, so it is good Speedy just got married! biggrin.gif Now he can meet his own woman. biggrin.gif

And what am I doing with Daren and Chris - under - over - under -over - I thought it is erging, not wrestling.
Godfried
QUOTE (seat5 @ Oct 23 2004, 04:46 PM)
From your nifty pace/point charts I see my 30 min is overdue for an upgrade! Pace for 10K is 2:05 and it's faster than the 30 min piece.

I am glad I gave you something to do tongue.gif and after that the 6000 biggrin.gif and after that an easy 2000 unsure.gif .

Or just do what others do : use the 10000 pace to calculate your 6000 and 30mins rolleyes.gif , personally I don't like this method.
Daren C
QUOTE (Godfried @ Oct 23 2004, 04:03 PM)
Or just do what others do : use the 10000 pace to calculate your 6000 and 30mins rolleyes.gif , personally I don't like this method.

Aye, I reckon it's a bit of a cheat. =)

I'm happy to say that all my Nonathlon times are legitimate, self-contained pieces. Huzzah! Besides, one would normally find that a real attempt at a shorter distance will yield a faster time than just happening to pass it during a longer row. That's assuming most people pace themselves like me - conservatively and getting faster, rather than all-out and hang on in there.

Of course, I could always extrapolate my 30 minute distance by doubling it, to give me a 60 minute distance of 15820. wink.gif biggrin.gif
Niall
Daren,

I know it's all been said before but right now you're on FIRE ohmy.gif

The improvements in your times are absolutely awesome and a real inspiration to us. I really don't know how you sustain such a high SPM for a whole 10K. I'm pleased if I can maintain 28spm for that distance; 30-31 is just out of the question. Don't you feel hurried at such a rate? I can see I've got oodles to learn on technique to propel myself off the bottom of Godfried's charts mad.gif

Once again, keep up the great work and you'll see those times tumble still further. cool.gif
Godfried
QUOTE (Daren C @ Oct 23 2004, 05:10 PM)
Aye, I reckon it's a bit of a cheat. . . . Besides, one would normally find that a real attempt at a shorter distance will yield a faster time than just happening to pass it during a longer row.

I don't think it is cheating or illegal - I just like to see each piece as something unique.

Let's not walk the path of "the slides".

QUOTE (Daren C @ Oct 23 2004, 05:10 PM)
Of course, I could always extrapolate my 30 minute distance by doubling it, to give me a 60 minute distance of 15820.

It would save you a lot of time.

As the editor of my school-magazine used to say:
"The editor has the right to shorten , alter , or add to the contents of every letter-to-the-editor" smile.gif
Daren C
QUOTE (Niall @ Oct 23 2004, 04:16 PM)
I really don't know how you sustain such a high SPM for a whole 10K. I'm pleased if I can maintain 28spm for that distance; 30-31 is just out of the question. Don't you feel hurried at such a rate?

On the contrary, I find 28 SPM "too slow". It feels unnatural to me. I think my natural cadence is about 31/32 SPM. It might be because of my technique (I think I bounce off my heels), but it feels right. Puffing starts at more like 34-36 I find.

I've tried some of the very low rate stuff that I've seen recommended for stroke power training, 22 SPM, but I just can't do it. I always speed up.
Daren C
So, are we gonna get a team T-shirt made up, or what? biggrin.gif

The last T-shirts I got printed were done by a local firm, and worked out at about £10 each. Of course, it was simpler when all the people that wanted one were in the UK, but there's always the post. =)

Could use someone like cafepress instead.

I was thinking what I would race in at BIRC, you see. The obvious choice was a Taff Attack T-shirt or vest, but there isn't one. =) At the moment I'm thinking that I might wear my cycling jersey because it's nice and bright, and might put my competition off. wink.gif

user posted image

Muahahaha.

SteveV
You didn't tell us you were an ex cyclist, no wonder your used to heavy training
Daren C
QUOTE (SteveV @ Oct 23 2004, 05:29 PM)
You didn't tell us you were an ex cyclist, no wonder your used to heavy training

I was never a serious cyclist, really. Between 17 and 24 or so I went out regularly, but not really more than once or twice a week, and only ever during the spring and summer. =)

For the last 10 years I've pretty much been a couch potato, which is why my weight went from 10st to 14st 10lb. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
seat5
biggrin.gif I think a Taff Attack T shirt would be really great! I would definitely buy some. Maybe 5 or so just to wear on the erg. Let's do it!

Carla

Godfried
QUOTE (Daren C @ Oct 23 2004, 07:08 PM)
For the last 10 years I've pretty much been a couch potato, which is why my weight went from 10st to 14st 10lb.  biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

It took me 20 years to reach 23.5 stone sad.gif ; now after 8 months at 20.5 smile.gif ; going to 15.75 unsure.gif
Niall
QUOTE
So, are we gonna get a team T-shirt made up, or what?


I think a team t-shirt is a great idea. Count me in! biggrin.gif
Godfried
QUOTE (Daren C @ Oct 23 2004, 06:15 PM)
So, are we gonna get a team T-shirt made up, or what?  biggrin.gif

If I like the print , count me in ; I am afraid I need a XXXL sad.gif ( or more unsure.gif ) but still working on that! huh.gif

P.S.
I am able to surrender to a majority voting! cool.gif
Debra
Hi everyone!
What an awesome team! Yay Taff Attack! Thanks for letting me be part of this great team!
I've been slowly adding meters to the Taffy bank. Over 50k this week! Now if Chris and Robert would just take a week off there would be a great race between the three of us.
Way to go on all the PB's this week everyone!

Debra
PS on nonathlon I'm momoffour - (as in mom of four kids!) - I'm in 85th spot right now and hope to gain a few places by the end of the year by doing the HM and upgrading some times/distances.
Godfried
QUOTE (Debra @ Oct 23 2004, 10:39 PM)
PS on nonathlon I'm momoffour

You are trapped.

click for paces - click for points.

This layout better? Just click to mail me to give your vote.
seat5
biggrin.gif Hey Debra, good to see you on here! What are you doing these days in your training? I'm mostly just doing long stuff, most days what I call "mixed junk" totalling 10--15K, once in a while seriously doing something. Are you still doing Wolverine? I still don't see how people get their stroke rate properly synchronized on the specified rates, I would really need a metrenome to do it. I saw recently that Ranger does it with a metrenome, but I own 3 of the things and none of them go anywhere near slow enough--slowest is 35 beats per minute and that's not slow for rowing.

Well if those mean guys ahead of you won't wait up, you could wait about 6 months for me to catch up to you and then we could compete laugh.gif Not interested, huh...oh well, I tried.

Are you doing the Halloween challenge? I may try to do the 31K in one session just to see what it's like to go further than an HM.

Carla
Debra
Hi again,
Well I guess I'm 'trapped' into the nonathlon stats for Taff Attack. Looks like I have the highest graph! Is that winner by being the loser?!

Carla, last week was my first time back in several weeks so I just did very short, slow rows. I was still coughing a lot. This week was better and I managed a few longer, more challenging rows. I did one 2x5k and another similar to the 15x3minutes but done as 800m on at about 2:08 pace and then 200m off at about 2:20. It's a good one. The other rows were 'just row' ones without anything in particular in mind but to get the meters done. I'm not going to try much under 2:05 for a while. I need to build up my endurance again. That illness really knocked my socks off. I'm hoping to be feeling good again by Christmas. I have to take a few weeks off in November for placement but I'm hoping to still get some rows in on the weekends or night-time so I don't lose too much. No PB attempts for me for a while. I don't want, or need to get injured!

My good friend Christine injured her back very badly from rowing and now has to give up the sport. She's selling her rowing machine. It's a model C - just bought it last year.

Hey Chris and Robert - SLOW DOWN!! Let me catch up a little!!
AussieTaff
QUOTE (Debra @ Oct 23 2004, 08:43 PM)
Looks like I have the highest graph! Is that winner by being the loser?!

Hey Chris and Robert - SLOW DOWN!! Let me catch up a little!!

You're ALWAYS a winner when you are with "Taff Attack" Debra laugh.gif

Now's your chance to catch those two scallywags - they are giving their all at the moment at the Southampton GP competition and so should be too stuffed to do much next week ! Go for it (if health permits - that must have been/be ? a pretty severe illness, not just a flu, to need such a long recuperation period). Also I reckon they will be like those cyclists in a sprint race who crawl around the veladrome watching each other like a hawk for a sneaky burst !! They will probably spin it out and creep up to that 650m mark just for dramatic effect (being Welsh Valley boyos). So now's your chance to slip past !

Nice hearing from you - don't forget to celebrate any PB (or thrilling row) on this thread like the rest of us !!!

How old are the offspring ? (I'm just a natural stickybeak !)

Martin smile.gif

PS Wish Canada and Aussieland were a bit closer - I would be a candidate to buy Christine's erg (though circumstances for sale sound rather sad - did she injure herself rowing on the erg or in a boat?).
AussieTaff
QUOTE (Daren C @ Oct 23 2004, 08:11 AM)
Today I rowed a RowPro Internet session.

Result, a new 10K PB, knocking 29.5 seconds off yesterday's time to finish in...

38:34.5 (1:55.7)

Cue James Brown... I feel good!

And so you should Daren !!!

Another PB Monster - looks like these new times will now become your normal training times the way you are PB'ing every 2nd day laugh.gif

Now for that 60 miniter ??

Looking forward to your next PB post,

Martin smile.gif
AussieTaff
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GOOD LUCK AT THE GP TAFFS (and honorary Taffs) biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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Godfried
QUOTE (seat5 @ Oct 24 2004, 02:27 AM)
Are you doing the Halloween challenge?  I may try to do the 31K in one session just to see what it's like to go further than an HM.

I urge every able TAFF to do it, see SKELETON CREW HALLOWEEN CHALLENGE
Godfried
QUOTE (AussieTaff @ Oct 8 2004, 06:36 AM)
If the monitor showed Ave Pace and not Elapsed Time during your record-breaking 10K row, what are the odds (roughly will do) of the Total Time for the row being exactly 41:40.0 (as opposed to 41:40.1, 41:39.9 etc) when the Ave Pace at the end of the row said 2.05.0 ???!!!! For Bonus marks derive an algebraic formula (algebra - should be right up your alley) for calculating odds that works for any Distance/Ave Pace !!!!  laugh.gif

QUOTE (AussieTaff @ Oct 22 2004, 04:08 AM)
Given the lack of response to the above thus far it looks like the Taffs (Godfried excepted ?) have wimped out on the Maths again (still no answer to the "odds" question !! - guess thats why we are called Taff Attack not Maff Attack  laugh.gif )

Nag Nag

OK : 1 in 10.
see this
in red pace with one more digits , in black pace on the monitor ,
in black total time with one more digits , in black total time on the monitor , in red 1 out of 10 is 41:40.0 rolleyes.gif

OK : 1 in 20.
see this
in red pace with two more digits , in black pace on the monitor ,
in black total time with two more digits , in black total time on the monitor , in red 5 out of 100 are 41:40.0 rolleyes.gif

Funny to see that with the same average on the monitor you can be 1 second slower or faster.
Niall
Right, just for the record (and to help me focus!), I'm just off to do my HM. The plan is to beat my current PB of 2:06 average split and get it down to 2:05.

I'll report in later on how it went (hopefully with some large red lettering!). wink.gif
Debra
QUOTE (AussieTaff @ Oct 23 2004, 09:00 PM)
1.) Now's your chance to catch those two scallywags - they are giving their all at the moment at the Southampton GP competition and so should be too stuffed to do much next week !

2.) Go for it (if health permits - that must have been/be ? a pretty severe illness, not just a flu, to need such a long recuperation period).

3.) How old are the offspring ? (I'm just a natural stickybeak !)


4.) PS Wish Canada and Aussieland were a bit closer

Hey Aussie Taff,
I'm not sure how this forum works for replying to other posts so I hope I haven't made a huge mess!
For 1.) I'm hoping to get about 50k each week so if they have a really, really slow week I'll definately be closer!

2.) I was pretty sick. It was a brochial (sp?) thing. My 10 year old daughter ended up with pheunomia from it. I'm still coughing quite a bit but nothing too serious. My daughter's all recovered - kids can do that huh!

3.)Girl 10, Boy 6, Boy 4, Girl 2. What's a stickybeak?????

4.) We have good friends moving here from Australia in December for a teaching exchange. They live in Melbourne and are coming to very cold Ottawa. We hope hope to go over to your land someday!
My friend's injury was directly related to the rowing machine. She's a runner and used the rower as a supplement exercise. Her technique was really bad and she went at it way too hard before building up the core rowing muscles. Unfortunately, she has paid the price.

Nice chatting!!
Debra
rickster
Hello everyone well done to the guys at the GP competition. Been taking it easy this last week but i will be back.

Rickster
rickster
Bore Da everyone its Ray here Just joined today the Rickster signed me up now i'm ready to rock and roll. Lets kick Ass!!!

Ray
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rambo ray
Hello everyone

RAY
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Niall
Ray, to quote those immortal words by Guns 'n' Roses:

Welcome to the Jungle!!

I'm looking forward to the news bites from the GP, can't wait to see how the team members did (and Carole Mac as she's like an non-executive honorary member wink.gif ).

I promised to update everyone with my HM attempt today. Well I'm very pleased to report that not only did I manage to beat my PB, I took 2 minutes (equivalent to 3 seconds per 500m) off my PB. My new PB for the HM is now 1:26:44.0. My splits (per 2000m) were:

2:01.1 (24spm)
2:02.6 (25)
2:03.1 (25)
2:03.7 (25)
2:03.8 (26)
2:03.4 (26)
2:04.7 (27)
2:04.2 (27)
2:03.7 (28)
2:05.4 (28)

The penultimate 2000m split time was accelerated as a friend I hadn't seen in years came over to me to chat and I found myself doing 2:00 (29spm) splits for a couple of 500s.

As well as being pleased with the new PB, I'm particularly pleased at the way I achieved it. I started off quicker than planned ('cause it just felt comfortable) and then kept my focus on maintaining a 2:03 split time (and, yes, I had the monitor on average split time and must admit it freed my mind from the mathematical calculations so I could concentrate on my stroke! dry.gif ).

I've updated Nonathlon and am now in 74th spot (one place below Carla; until she puts in a 2K row that is!).

I think the amount of rowing I've been doing has really paid off with this performance. I just need to find the time to focus on some sprint training to bring my times for the shorter distances down.
seat5
Go TAFFS at the GP!


Hey Niall, I'm cheering for you on your HM--to hold 2:05 will be awesome--can't wait to see your big colored post! Considering I think 2:05 for an hour row would be a tremendous achievement!

Debra, is that the same friend who was aiming to beat Mary Perrot's times last year? I remember thinking that was a bit of a stretch. Wouldn't it be cool if you could send Martin her rower via your friends when they return to Australia. Of course Australia is gigantic so it would probably not make much sense. And it makes rather clumsy luggage, I imagine.

With all this talk about the chances of my having hit 41:40 at 2:05 on that 10K, I'm glad I've actually got a photo of the final results on the monitor! It's starting to look like I made the whole thing up! The photo is at www.dms-ent.com/images/04-10-06-02.jpg .

Carla
Niall
QUOTE
Hey Niall, I'm cheering for you on your HM--to hold 2:05 will be awesome--can't wait to see your big colored post!


Well, Carla, if you take a peak at the bottom of page 59 of this thread, you'll see I managed to get my average split time for the HM down to 2:03.3!!!
Daren C
QUOTE (Debra @ Oct 24 2004, 03:47 PM)
3.)Girl 10, Boy 6, Boy 4, Girl 2. What's a stickybeak?????

Flippin' 'eck, Debra!

You're made of sterner stuff than I. I've a 6 year old daughter, and a 2 year old son. I was walking the dog earlier and I stopped to chat to someone I sometimes see about. She said "I see the dog has been playing rough". I explained that, no, it wasn't the dog, it was the 2 year-old. Little monster!
Daren C
QUOTE (Niall @ Oct 24 2004, 06:35 PM)
My new PB for the HM is now 1:26:44.0.

Excellent stuff, Niall! Well done.
seat5
Wow, Niall! That's really great! 2:03!!!!!!
Fits one of my favorite sayings: "Set your goals high & exceed them!"
Way to go.

Carla
Daren C
OK, so T-shirts - or, what we're really talking about first, a logo. Any Taffs happen to be graphic designers? =)

The T-shirts I got done for my gaming clan were silkscreen printed. That means having a single colour logo that could be cut out of a piece of paper, basically. This is more or less what I came up with.

Alternatively, I think Cafepress can do full colour images, but even so I think that bold block-colour logos work better than poncey shaded ones.

I've had some ideas, roughly slammed together in Paintshop. Both black-and-white attempts, and things using red, green and white. I don't think any of them are really good, but I'll put them up for laughing at later. =)
chippy
Taffians
Great day at the Southampton G.P.Caught up with Carole Mac and the Pirate for some banter.Chris had G.Benton in his race who pulled 5.55 and Chris finished only a second fo his own best time. wink.gif

IN DA CLUB (six min +)
GO.....I start rowing and hit 1.29 in 4 pulls,"Chris tells me to slow down" .500m
and iam pulling 1.45s the pain is starting to build.1000m and i start to slow to 1.47/1.48 iam really hurting now.700 to go Chris is screaming at me "Go boy you can do it" I up the pace to 1.45 again.500 to go and some how i speed up again.
The pain in my right ear from Chris shouting at me is has bad as the lactic acid build up.100 to go and i get under 1.40 to finish. Cant move for 5 mins. rolleyes.gif

[SIZE=7]6.59.9

Chippy. ph34r.gif
Godfried
QUOTE (chippy @ Oct 24 2004, 10:52 PM)
6.59.9

You may be deaf , but sub 7. Well done.
Sir Pirate
Chippy you star!! super effort. Was good to meet you and Chris at long last.

Speedy better watch it, you are catching him up rolleyes.gif

Well done cool.gif cool.gif

Sir Pirate
Niall
Sub 7-min club membership for you now Chippy! Nice one, well done.

There's quite a queue of us eager for membership ourselves and it's great to see a team member gaining entry! Fantastic effort and focus. biggrin.gif
SteveV
QUOTE (Daren C @ Oct 24 2004, 03:01 PM)
OK, so T-shirts - or, what we're really talking about first, a logo. Any Taffs happen to be graphic designers? =)


You should keep it simple, big welsh flag, with team name above or below.

Will stand out great
Niall
user posted image

Here's a suggestion...
SteveV
QUOTE (Niall @ Oct 24 2004, 04:49 PM)
user posted image

Here's a suggestion...

Nice, but i would keep the green and white background from the flag. Depends on cost of course. My welsh wife would love them.
Niall
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Mikez
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Well done Chippy, sub 7 minutes, wish you joy on your time. I know it was tough, how is you ear?
The tee shirt idea looks great what color background, Gray? Im in for a few.
I finished my 100,000 meters just a while ago. quite painful towards the end. I was hoping to do more than 20,558 on Saturday but my lovely wife mentioned that I had a ton of winter chores to do. Hold on I explained the team needs these points, at which she explained winterize the outside or no special rubdowns ohmy.gif , Needless to say after putting away lawn furniture Mowing lawn last time and 24 bags of leaves plus countless other " honey do things" I got my time in. I had wanted an easy Sunday so I could watch American Foootball, And see the plays like Carla mentioned but no go . Three rows for 38750.
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