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Prufrock
Hi all


I rowed a cheeky 7k this morning. I think I went a little bit too fast, but never mind. I'll make up for it with a very slow 10k tonight.


regs
Bernard
dadams
QUOTE(Prufrock @ Sep 12 2005, 09:46 AM)
Hi all


I rowed a cheeky 7k this morning.  I think I went a little bit too fast, but never mind.  I'll make up for it with a very slow 10k tonight.


regs
Bernard
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Bernie,
K's are K's mate. Doesn't matter how you do 'em (just don't hurt yourself), just as long as you do 'em.

Speedy
Lynsey
QUOTE(Niall @ Sep 11 2005, 03:30 PM)

As promised before I went on holiday, I arranged a rowing session with Lynsey today at my David Lloyds Lesiure Club.


A big thank-you to Niall for arranging this. I really enjoyed it and after the shock of the first 15 minutes on the rower, managed an hour. My back's ok today so I have no excuse for not getting back into the routine. Here's to the next million meters.
Thanks Niall.
Prufrock
Completed my slow row tonight, except I'm finding it difficult to stay slow. Sometimes I get into a rhythm and then look at the monitor to see I'm actually rowing 10-15 secs per 500m faster than I intended. Naturally, I slow down then.

I'm really enjoying the feeling of having to make absolutely no effort at all to get to a gym. It is saving me so much time and money. I find I'm not arguing with myself about whether I want to go the gym, or even about the routine I'm doing. I wish I'd bought one last year. Ah well...

Night everyone. It's night here in England.
Bernard
seat5
Good for you for getting back on the erg, Bernard!

I am also just getting going again after spending most of the summer on the bike. I noticed that there is a challenge on for health club member rowers to do either 100K or 200K between 9/15 and 10/15. I am going to do the 100K challenge--even though I can't win a prize, because I'm not rowing at a club--just for something to go for, and since I don't want to be pushing for speed right now. HOpefully this will set me up for the 200K Holiday challenge and I'll be in shape to do some timed pieces while that's going on.

Any other Taffs that are just resuming erging want to do the 100K challenge with me? (it feels silly to even bring it up, with some folks out there doing 100K in a day!) It would really be good for our team standings!

Carla
Daren C
Sounds like a plan, Carla. I'll be covering at least 200k in that time, I would hope.

I did a half-marathon this morning, before breakfast. I was looking for sub-90 and for a while I was on target, but lack of energy caught up with me and my pace dropped significantly.

Final time was 92:24.6 (2:11.4), but I'm still reasonably happy with it because it's 10 minutes faster than the only other 21k I've done this season (102:26.7 back on June 21).

Next time I try a half marathon I guess I'll have something to eat first. =)
Prufrock
Hi all


Good to see people are returning to pulling a lot of metres. This is the way I remember TA.

10k this morning and ... yes, you guessed it 10k before beddybyes tonight.

regds
Bernard
Niall
QUOTE(Prufrock @ Sep 13 2005, 05:58 AM)
Good to see people are returning to pulling a lot of metres.  This is the way I remember TA.
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Couldn't agree more Bernard. Carla brought up the point a while ago (and I apologise now for not taking the baton!) that the team feeling seems to have been diluted over the months. There was a time (certainly late last year) during which there were mini battles going on among team members, lots of metres being rowed, and a strong competitive team spirit.

I was talking to Lynsey about this on Sunday. To my mind there's two main aspects to the Taff Attack Team:

1) Forum Communications
This is where we look for support, motivation and fun from others and where we can show off about our achievements.

2) Indoor Rowing Competitions
This is where we promote our team in public and have our own little battles with our PBs or SBs.

I think, unfortunately, we rely on a small number of people to keep these aspects going.

Through last year's experiences, I would say the Forum was vibrant and fun because of the battles between Martin (AussieTaff) and Carla (seat5), and myself and Bernard (Prufrock), the banter from Chris (Bore Da) and Chippy, the quips and sub-7:00 mission of Daren's, and of course Speedy's awesome achievements.

All this seems to have died down. I'm as much to blame (and I'm not looking to blame anyone, I just want highlight what a lot of us already know so we can rejuvenate our team). I've been spending more time on the UK Forum than I did last year sad.gif . I'm going to make sure I contribute more on our Forum thread and give feedback/motivation/support whenever it's appropriate. I think I could also do with posting what I've done aswell like others do.

I must say Chippy, Chris and crew have done a great job in promoting the team through the competitions (and kit!) and Taff Attack is well known in the British Regional Indoor Rowing scene (couldn't possibly ignore us with the kit we've got!).

I'd appreciate any views or opinions others may have on this subject especially if it's to disagree with me.

Finally, I'd like ideas for the website. Again, I haven't made much progress with it so would like to know what you want in it (it's not my site, it's the teams). I think the website could be a good vehicle to making us a tighter team and will help us promote the team in getting new members.

For those who have mislaid the address of the (work in progress) website, it's at the link below:

Taff Attack IRC Website


Thanks for your time guys. smile.gif
Daren C
I don't post much simply because I prefer the UK site. It's smaller, and I know more of the locals. This site is larger and too divided up (women's forum, dutch forum, for example) so the community feeling isn't as strong and some of the people here just do my head in (no names, no pack drill, but I'm sure most can guess the worst culprit). So I'm more likely to read/post on the UK site, which in turn means I have specifically remember to come here to read this one.

I also really hate the way that IPB shows everyone who's reading what. =)
Niall
QUOTE(Daren C @ Sep 13 2005, 08:59 AM)
some of the people here just do my head in (no names, no pack drill, but I'm sure most can guess the worst culprit).
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Yeh, John Rupp does my head in too!! tongue.gif laugh.gif
Prufrock
QUOTE(Niall @ Sep 13 2005, 09:32 AM)
QUOTE(Daren C @ Sep 13 2005, 08:59 AM)
some of the people here just do my head in (no names, no pack drill, but I'm sure most can guess the worst culprit).
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Yeh, John Rupp does my head in too!! tongue.gif laugh.gif
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All sites should have a John Rupp, just for the entertainment value. He stops you feeling sorry for yourself.

I think Daren has a good point about the communal feeling on the British site.

I don't think that gives us an excuse not to continue giving a big up to TA, however. I haven't really been involved that much in indoor rowing for a while but did a couple of sessions at the local gym and talked a little on the British site.

For me this is still the best thread out there, and is basically the only thread I read on the site unless Speedy has dropped some rowing wisdom somewhere else. The reason is simple; because of the folks on this thread.

Otherwise I do tend to gravitate towards the British site myself for reasons similar to the ones Daren has cited.

I don't have to remind myself to read this thread though!! And as I've now pretty much returned to 100k+ per week rowing, for the time being anyway, this is my first port of call.

Anyway, enough of that stuff. I lied about the number of metres I did this morning. I in fact did 11000 as I forgot to include a warm up 1k. First 4k was nice and slow and then I had to spoil it all by doing 2.05/500 19-21spm for 3k. The last 3k was at the same pace as the first 4.

I'm wary of overtraining. Lots of metres are ok, but too much intensity at this stage will ruin everything. Slap wrists and stand in the corner.

I don't know how I failed to remember the 1k warmup this morning as I almost fell off the seat going for a 1'20 max pull.

Now if I was in a gym ... with lots of lovelies around ... a tadpole embarrassing I think.

Happy rowing everyone
Bernard
wilko51
Not sure if anyone has been reading my blog but I ran into an elderly gent in the gym who rows about 5 mins after me in the morning. We got chatting last week and he said he rowed Henley in 1948! He knocks out 2k at about 16spm/2.20 pace and still looks incredibly fit. Anyway we chatted again this AM and he told me he is 79! So I'm trying to persuede him to join TA and maybe race in one of the seniors races.

I just wish I'm in his shape at the age of 79!

Mike
chippy

Well done Grumpy (my dad) on reaching 500k plus, biggrin.gif Just can,t shake him of my tail, dry.gif Think Porky(my brother ) is even more worried tongue.gif

Martin
Nice to hear form you. smile.gif Had a crack at 6.50 last week and was on pace after
1400m and then blew up big time ohmy.gif Limped home in 7.02 and felt ill for 2 days huh.gif But i tried tongue.gif
Do not know whats happened to our leader Chris( bore da) dry.gif Think he might
have joined the moonies cool.gif


Chippy ph34r.gif
AussieTaff
Hi Chippy,

I was wondering how the 2K training program was going - good on you for holding sub 6:50 pace for so long on your last try, can't be too far off cracking it now (Enfield ?). I needed your post to get me firing again after a month of just mooching around at the gym living off recent PB glories but doing stuff all on the rower.

So set the thing to 2K today and managed a 6:51.8 smile.gif DF 111 and SPM 31 and felt pretty good (until 20 mins afterwards when the euphoria wore off and everyone else in the gym tired off hearing about it !). First 500m was right on the money 1:42.5 and I then let it slide out to 1:44s for the next 1000m which left me feeling strong enough to come home reasonably strong and more importantly, in control. Maybe try this pacing next time Rob and with your power the last 500m should see the 6:50 go down. Secret seems to be doing the middle 1000m at about 95% and not on the edge (which makes the last 500m seem insurmountable).

Thanks for providing the motivation my friend,

Martin smile.gif
AussieTaff
Hi Niall, Bernie and Daren,

Thanks for the posts to reinvigorate the forum and stimulate some friendly intra-Taff rivalry. Just what is needed now the balmy Summer days are drawing to a close and the mind turns to matters erging. Some possible challenges -

Carla, I'll definately be in the 100K challenge now that I realise that it's not a 24 hour timeframe (always takes me a while to realise that in the US it's MMDD not DDMM for dates - wonder how the different convention came about ?) biggrin.gif Maybe now Lynsey is back in action and pretty close to you in total metres the 2 of you could have a bit of rivalry on the metres board ?

Debra, Daren - first to 1 Million.

Niall, Mike W - first to 7:05 then the big 7 O.

Byron, Mike W - first to 2 Million

Phil to go sub 6:30

And so on. We can register our Goals and Challenges and TaffWeb will reveal all as the season unfolds .

What about you OzTaff I hear you say - Well I've got mine with the Chippy sub 6:50 gauntlet tongue.gif and to PB in all 10 categories this season.

Great 6:33 Phil, hope to see some video of you in action sometime.

Cheers,

Martin smile.gif

Prufrock
Hi all

Just managed to achieve in a week what it took Carole McNally to do in a day. And I thought my first week back on the erg went ok! sad.gif

I think it puts Ms McNally's achievement into perspective and makes me aware of how much more there is for me to achieve on the erg in the coming months.
cool.gif

By the end of the day I will have rowed 110,000 metres in my first week, yet I'm not quite satisfied. dry.gif

I think that's because all of the rows have been merely 'get back into it rows' and I haven't been training as such. However, I still need another week of 'soft' rowing, before ramping up the pace, but keeping the distance. I see my normal training pace when I lose my discipline.

My goals for the coming week will be to row 20,000 metres a day. That makes 140,000 for the week. Again the important thing is not pace.

As long as I remember that I'm not testing every time I sit on my machine then this goal should not be too difficult to achieve given this week's tally.

I must admit the morning row has been a little daunting if I think about it too much it, but once I've rowed 1500 metres I find it hard to stop. The evening row has been pleasant.

I'll also add one session of 4x500m next week, so my body and brain don't become too habituated to continual long rows.

I'll be trying to go under 1'20" on my low pull as well, though it may not happen quite yet.

I have a way to go to get back to 7'08 shape for the 2000 metres which is where I was at this stage last year.

My sleep patterns seem to have returned to normal. In fact I'm finding it difficult to stay in bed once I'm awake.

One thing I've learned is that achieving short term goals can be easier, and everything more concrete, than long term goals. Life and other priorities can interfere with the best thought out and well-motivated programmes. As Rabbie Burns would say:

The best laid plans o mice and men gang aft aglay

But not always!

regs
Bernard
seat5
QUOTE(Daren C @ Sep 13 2005, 01:59 PM)
I don't post much simply because I prefer the UK site.  It's smaller, and I know more of the locals.  This site is larger and too divided up (women's forum, dutch forum, for example) so the community feeling isn't as strong and some of the people here just do my head in (no names, no pack drill, but I'm sure most can guess the worst culprit).  So I'm more likely to read/post on the UK site, which in turn means I have specifically remember to come here to read this one.

I also really hate the way that IPB shows everyone who's reading what.  =)
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Hey Daren,
I have subscribed to just a few of the threads on this forum, so that I don't spend too much time on it, but don't miss what I really care about. I used to find myself reading lots of stuff that really didn't matter to me and just wasting time reading people's arguments. Now I really just look at the TAff thread when I get an email that there's activity and of course post if I need motivation or have any to offer. And then if I have some free time and feel like browsing, I'll go on. Why don't you just subscribe to the Taff thread and then you won't miss anything but not have to bother otherwise. We miss your posts--it's so much more fun when everyone is putting their 2 cents in, goading each other on, etc., and really helps with the team feeling! You can also set it up so that you can read anonymously (sp) if you want to.

Carla
seat5
[QUOTE]Carla, I'll definately be in the 100K challenge now that I realise that it's not a 24 hour timeframe (always takes me a while to realise that in the US it's MMDD not DDMM for dates - wonder how the different convention came about ?) biggrin.gif Maybe now Lynsey is back in action and pretty close to you in total metres the 2 of you could have a bit of rivalry on the metres board [/QUOTE]

Sounds like a great idea!
Well you are doing much more than that already; this is really only motivational for folks like me that are just getting back in the swing. But if all us malingerers get on with it, the Taffs will rise in the standings again!

[/QUOTE]By the end of the day I will have rowed 110,000 metres in my first week, yet I'm not quite satisfied. dry.gif [/QUOTE]
Are you coming back from total inactivity? That's a pretty high weekly total, if so! I am coming back from pretty much switching to biking, and less of it than I had been rowing, and my plan is only about 50K a week. I'm doing most if it in the form of pokey 10Ks and not even worrying about whether I keep going the whole time or not and paying no attention at all to pace. I don't intend to work on pace at all for at least several weeks. I'm just working on my stroke and trying to get equal force out of both legs (my right leg is a lazy bum) and also on getting the hands out fast, then bending at the hips, not waist, doing 10MPS, and making sure my stomach muscles are good and tight at the catch.

Carla
Niall
Bernard,

You're doing exactly the right thing by taking things easy (if 110,000m can be called "easy" dry.gif ). Your body will certainly be thankful in the long run and you'll find your return to form will be quicker.

Martin,

Stop teasing Chippy with 6:51s. Get down to business and get the sub-6:50 behind you so you can move on to the next PB challenge (1000m or 1609m?).

Chippy,

Hope you're not taking this from our Wonder Down Under. Get on the erg and bash out that sub-6:50 time while it's still night time in Oz!

(See, I'm so fickle, I could be a woman!!).

Mike W,

How's that 2K training going? I'm hoping to go sub 7:08 at Enfield on September 25th so hope you're keeping coming along well. martin's quite rightly paired us off for a challenge and I look forward to hearing your progress.
dadams
Bernie,
I'll agree with what Niall said about taking it easy. However...don't be afraid to punch it every once in a while. As long as your not diving in to deep, it won't hurt you to push things a bit.

Speedy
Niall
The Question of the Day on my company's Intranet posed the question:

Q: What do you fear if you suffer from ergophobia?

The options were:

1) Eggs
2) Open spaces
3) Flying
4) Work

No mention of rowing at all.

The answer was Work. So it just goes to show, if you fear work, stay away from the erg!!!
dadams
QUOTE(Niall @ Sep 14 2005, 10:20 AM)
The Question of the Day on my company's Intranet posed the question:

Q: What do you fear if you suffer from ergophobia?

The options were:

1) Eggs
2) Open spaces
3) Flying
4) Work

No mention of rowing at all.

The answer was Work. So it just goes to show, if you fear work, stay away from the erg!!!
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That's why you can jump on the one at my gym any time you want. When it comes down to really working (not just doing the wimpy treadmill), nobody wants to do it.
Niall
Forgot to mention yesterdaythat I went through the 5 Million Metre mark for all-time metres this week. Already sent my email off for my long-sleeved t-shirt (nice bonus) cool.gif

Of course this pales into significance when lined up against others (especially Mr Speedy!) but 5 Million Metres is 5 Million Metres!

In a warped way, I'm looking forward to the next 5 Million smile.gif
dadams
QUOTE(Niall @ Sep 14 2005, 10:49 AM)
Forgot to mention yesterdaythat I went through the 5 Million Metre mark for all-time metres this week. Already sent my email off for my long-sleeved t-shirt (nice bonus)  cool.gif

Of course this pales into significance when lined up against others (especially Mr Speedy!) but 5 Million Metres is 5 Million Metres!

In a warped way, I'm looking forward to the next 5 Million  smile.gif
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Congrats Niall. You're right...5 million is 5 million. And you're right again...you are warped. tongue.gif
Lynsey
QUOTE(seat5 @ Sep 14 2005, 08:56 AM)
QUOTE
Carla, I'll definately be in the 100K challenge now that I realise that it's not a 24 hour timeframe (always takes me a while to realise that in the US it's MMDD not DDMM for dates - wonder how the different convention came about ?) biggrin.gif Maybe now Lynsey is back in action and pretty close to you in total metres the 2 of you could have a bit of rivalry on the metres board


Sounds like a great idea!
Well you are doing much more than that already; this is really only motivational for folks like me that are just getting back in the swing. But if all us malingerers get on with it, the Taffs will rise in the standings again!

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Carla, Martin,
I'll join in the 100k challenge and am happy to pick up the gauntlet for who gets to 500k first (reckon I'll make 400k before you Carla!) or any other goal we can think up.

Niall,
the website looks very promising - are the stats for this season or lifetime best? I've gone backwards since last year and haven't got any times for this season as I've been following a training plan rather than doing set distances. As for suggestions - it'd be good to see some challenges up there for the team ... and that would probably get people going in and using the website.
Niall
QUOTE(Lynsey @ Sep 14 2005, 12:55 PM)
Niall,
the website looks very promising - are the stats for this season or lifetime best? I've gone backwards since last year and haven't got any times for this season as I've been following a training plan rather than doing set distances. As for suggestions - it'd be good to see some challenges up there for the team ... and that would probably get people going in and using the website.
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Cheers Lynsey.

The stats are currently PBs but I see no reason why we can't include season's bests aswell. It's our website and we'll do what we want with it. If we want SBs, then we'll have SBs!!!

I'll see if I can make some progress on the website this weekend and include the challenges Carla and Martin have highlighted too.

Thanks for the feedback. smile.gif
dadams
Call to arms Taffs!!!!

We have approx. twice the amount of people in the Taff group than the Oarsome group. Why is it that we can't pass them in the standings?!??!?!??

Time to get on the ergs and start erging!! Put in the meters. Put down the pint. Get it done.

Do we really want the Brits to be better than the Welsh?? Honestly!!

Speedy
Prufrock
Hi all


Just finished the last workout of the week. Pulled 1'58" for the last 1500 metres. It helped stop my idle speculation on motivation.

Carla, I'm never completely inactive. I was doing sporadic erg sessions. Hence the decision to buy an erg. I've never liked gyms; too many people training for reasons I don't really share e.g. not for love of the sport but more for what others may think of them.

I guess 110k sounds a lot, but really it is only 1.5 hours erging a day, which, when you consider the medical profession suggests an hour of physical activity every day, is not really that much. In fact, I probably spend more time in the kitchen - maybe not. I certainly spend more time playing or studying chess. I'm not a pub person and I probably only watch the Simpsons in the evening on telly, so I have plenty of time!!

To me, motivation is internal and I suppose that's why I like this thread because the people here have to have that internal motivation just to keep coming here.

Dwayne, I'm not sure what you mean by punch. Do you mean increase the tempo of my long rows or add some rows for speed and power endurance? When I start work proper - the week after next - I intend to add the sessions from the Australian Surfboat training guide you pointed me to. I won't have to change anything, just keep doing distance but mix the two power sessions into two long session per week. That should do me for the following six weeks. But if you think I could be doing something more effectively don't hesitate to tell me. Improvement and gain means a lot to me.

Niall, thanks for the reaffirmation. One thing I've learned in my career is that it is very easy to demotivate the motivated.

Everyone in Taff Attack is already fantastically motivated and great motivaters themselves.

Nighty night
Bernard
wilko51
QUOTE(Niall @ Sep 14 2005, 03:00 PM)
Bernard,

You're doing exactly the right thing by taking things easy (if 110,000m can be called "easy"  dry.gif ). Your body will certainly be thankful in the long run and you'll find your return to form will be quicker.

Martin,

Stop teasing Chippy with 6:51s. Get down to business and get the sub-6:50 behind you so you can move on to the next PB challenge (1000m or 1609m?).

Chippy,

Hope you're not taking this from our Wonder Down Under. Get on the erg and bash out that sub-6:50 time while it's still night time in Oz!

(See, I'm so fickle, I could be a woman!!).

Mike W,

How's that 2K training going? I'm hoping to go sub 7:08 at Enfield on September 25th so hope you're keeping coming along well. martin's quite rightly paired us off for a challenge and I look forward to hearing your progress.
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Nial,

I've been keeping the meters going and fancy my chances! I will have a bash Thursday or Friday and see where I've got to. I may have a secret weapon. I have found a model C in my local gym which seems to be faster than my home machine so 7.08 could be at risk.

Mike
dadams
QUOTE(Prufrock @ Sep 14 2005, 03:36 PM)
Dwayne, I'm not sure what you mean by punch.  Do you mean increase the tempo of my long rows or add some rows for speed and power endurance?  When I start work proper - the week after next - I intend to add the sessions from the Australian Surfboat training guide you pointed me to.  I won't have to change anything, just keep doing distance but mix the two power sessions into two long session per week.  That should do me for the following six weeks.  But if you think I could be doing something more effectively don't hesitate to tell me.  Improvement and gain means a lot to me.

Nighty night
Bernard
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Bernie,
Didn't really mean be more effective. Sorry for the confusion. I was just saying don't be shy about kicking in some heavy, intense stuff. As long as you don't over do it (i.e. overtrain).

I was thinking that your body will probably adapt faster than you think. It's not like this is your very first time on an erg.
Byron Drachman
QUOTE
Time to get on the ergs and start erging!! Put in the meters.


I'd love to but I'm having too much fun on the water these days. I usually put the boat in the water at 6 AM when it is still dark. The river is full of sculls with flashing lights. As Xeno says "The water is flat and there are no motorboat drivers to make our rowing lives slightly miserable." There is the MSU crew team, a club sport but not funded by the university. Those students are rowing because they love the sport. Then there are the MSU women varsity rowers, very good rowers, and finally there is the Lansing Oar and Paddle Club consisting of people of all ages, including geezers like me. Since I'm surrounded by excellent rowers going very fast, I'm under pressure to move the scull quickly so that I am not an obstruction like a big log or tree in the river. About 15K of trying to row efficiently and quickly and I'm ready to get out of the boat. Then I get home and often someone was to go cycling with me. I should un-retire so I could get a job and get some rest.

I'm extremely interested in technique--the heavyweights can get away with just pulling hard, but I think for a lightweight with not a lot of muscle mass technique is absolutely crucial. Yesterday I asked one of the MSU coaches to see if there was something I should be working on as far as technique goes. She said my technique is good. I was happy to hear that, but of course there is always something that needs improvement--are the blades really squared before entry, did I keep the forward lean long enough during the drive, did the boat stay set, were both blades one width from the surface, did I connect at the beginning of the drive, did I get full compression at the catch, etc.? You get the idea.

Thanks to Xeno Muller's DVD's, postings and help from Paul Smith, postings from Xeno, Mel and others, the technique is coming along. I'm still looking for that perfect stroke. Sometimes I do have a few strokes in a row that feel really good, with the boat moving fast (for me) and feeling like I'm apply a lot of power (for me) but strangely effortlessly. Those good strokes keep me coming back looking for more and I love the challenge.

Byron






dadams
QUOTE(Byron Drachman @ Sep 14 2005, 04:24 PM)
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Time to get on the ergs and start erging!! Put in the meters.


I'd love to but I'm having too much fun on the water these days.


On water meters count towards team meters as well. You can't rank any of those pieces, but you can log them in as 'on water' meters.


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I'm extremely interested in technique--the heavyweights can get away with just pulling hard


I used to think the same thing. Just because I was a big powerfull erger, that my day in the boat would be a snap. Not so. It took me a long time to shake the 'hammer effect' (hammering away with power only), and I still tend to play into it alot when I'm rowing.

QUOTE
I'm still looking for that perfect stroke.


Aren't we all?!?!?

AussieTaff
QUOTE(Niall @ Sep 14 2005, 09:00 AM)

Martin,

Stop teasing Chippy with 6:51s. Get down to business and get the sub-6:50 behind you so you can move on to the next PB challenge (1000m or 1609m?).

Chippy,

Hope you're not taking this from our Wonder Down Under. Get on the erg and bash out that sub-6:50 time while it's still night time in Oz!

(See, I'm so fickle, I could be a woman!!).



laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Congrats on the 5 Million and another classic post Niall (or should that be Nielle ??).

Just for having a bit each way I'm adding a dark horse wildcard to your Challenge - Bernie Pru !

So the TaffChalls are shaping up nicely -

Niall, Mike W and Bernie P - first to sub 7:05 then the Big 7 O.

Carla, Lynsey to do the 100K Challenge and first to 500K on the metres board (leaving Bore Da in their wake !).

Godfried to dust the cobwebs off his erg and see if it is still working.

OzT to shoot for the 1K PB - leaving only the HM to revisit for a full house x 2 of PBs (500m in 1:36.1 the other week sort of counts though hardly in Chippy/Bore Da's league).

Martin smile.gif
Daren C
QUOTE(dadams @ Sep 14 2005, 08:35 PM)
We have approx. twice the amount of people in the Taff group than the Oarsome group. Why is it that we can't pass them in the standings?!??!?!??


Well, the harsh truth of the matter is that a good number of us simply don't use the erg that much and only a few really pile on the metres, while Oarsome have about 7 people all over 1 million already, and at least a couple over 2 million. We're slackers by comparison. =) Personally, I'm really down on the time I was erging last year. Then I was doing 3 half-hours each day on average (around 22k), but these days I tend to only climb aboard once (7km). I have to walk the dog, now, which consumes a fair chink of my avialable time. Maybe I should buy him a treadmill. =)

QUOTE(dadams @ Sep 14 2005, 08:35 PM)
Do we really want the Brits to be better than the Welsh?? Honestly!!


I think you'll find that Wales is part of Great Britain. wink.gif
Niall
I had a nightmare session this morning! Full details in my Blog but the headlines are basically; planned to do 6x500m, mental weakness set in half way through the 3rd set and I stopped sad.gif

Need to sort this out before Sunday's 4x750m session!! Back to the standard 30mins session tomorrow.

As an aside, I decided to see what my resting heart rate now is (it was 52 last May). Settled down to some Red Hot Chili Peppers and U2 for half an hour and recorded my HR throughout. Took a couple of 30-45 second snapshots and calculated the average resting heart rate. Was really pleased to see it come out at 50bpm smile.gif
Prufrock
Niall


Like the music, sorry to hear about the nightmare sesh! The determined, kick *ss Niall who made my life uncomfortable had better return immediately. mad.gif

Probably only a blip though. wink.gif

I just can't help myself!! I decided to split my 10k into 4x2500 with a minute in between, so I didn't get into too much of a rhythm and could hold a steady slow pace. cool.gif

Did that work? Did it h***. The first one was my wake up 2500 and so was reasonably slow, though I could feel the sap rising in me after about 1500 metres. ohmy.gif

The other 3 work periods were at 2.10/500 x 2 and 2.06/500 (both 18-20 spm). Naturally, I had to do a warm down(1k) as I really wasn't expecting to work so well. cool.gif

I'm looking forward to tonight's sesh, which will be slow! I can't stop thinking about food. I'm hungry all of the time. rolleyes.gif

The first thing I do in the morning is row. I literally fall out of bed and get on the rower - I put some kit on first mind. biggrin.gif

Is this a good practice or should I eat or drink a little something first? unsure.gif

Martin, I'm not in that kind of shape at the moment. Niall and Mike are way ahead of me. Having said that, I feel as though I'm getting stronger(physically and mentally) by the row. smile.gif

Speedy, as evidenced you were right! cool.gif

I'm going to cap my rows at 12k I think. I didn't finish my row until 7.00am this morning and don't want to eat into the day.

regs
Bernard Pru
dadams
QUOTE(Prufrock @ Sep 15 2005, 05:41 AM)

I can't stop thinking about food.  I'm hungry all of the time.  rolleyes.gif

The first thing I do in the morning is row.  I literally fall out of bed and get on the rower - I put some kit on first mind.  biggrin.gif

Is this a good practice or should I eat or drink a little something first?  unsure.gif

Martin, I'm not in that kind of shape at the moment.  Niall and Mike are way ahead of me.  Having said that, I feel as though I'm getting stronger(physically and mentally) by the row.  smile.gif

Speedy, as evidenced you were right!  cool.gif

I'm going to cap my rows at 12k I think.  I didn't finish my row until 7.00am this morning and don't want to eat into the day.

regs
Bernard Pru
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Bernie,
The constant hunger thing is telling me that you're changing your metabolism. Your body is craving nutrients, because it's burning them off so quickly. If you're trying to lose some weight, then this is a good thing. Having a little extra food (quality calories mind you) probably won't hurt you a bit.

As far as rolling right out of bed and erging, that, too, is working on burning off fat. Since your body doesn't have any readily available fuel (i.e. you haven't eaten since the night before), it's forced to draw on its energy reserves (fat). Nothing wrong with this practice as long as you're not getting dizzy or feeling sick.
dadams
QUOTE(Daren C @ Sep 15 2005, 04:07 AM)

QUOTE(dadams @ Sep 14 2005, 08:35 PM)
Do we really want the Brits to be better than the Welsh?? Honestly!!


I think you'll find that Wales is part of Great Britain. wink.gif
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Ok...I mispoke myself...I meant the English.
Prufrock
QUOTE(dadams @ Sep 15 2005, 08:11 AM)
Bernie,
The constant hunger thing is telling me that you're changing your metabolism. Your body is craving nutrients, because it's burning them off so quickly. If you're trying to lose some weight, then this is a good thing. Having a little extra food (quality calories mind you) probably won't hurt you a bit.

As far as rolling right out of bed and erging, that, too, is working on burning off fat. Since your body doesn't have any readily available fuel (i.e. you haven't eaten since the night before), it's forced to draw on its energy reserves (fat). Nothing wrong with this practice as long as you're not getting dizzy or feeling sick.
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Speedy

I used to be the proverbial calorie dustbin. If it was still for long enough I would eat it, but I'm a little more cautious now.

I'm really not into diets and have never been a body fascist, though I like my clothes to look good on me. I could never starve or beat up on myself like that. My body only hates me when I do 2000m on a concept2. Training at AT causes it to complain a little.

I have to admire Niall for losing all of his weight and I really should perhaps work something like that into my goals, but what the heck, I'd rather not focus on that, just do the work and reach performance goals I have set myself. Losing weight should happen as a byproduct and I suppose I prefer it that way.

Obviously, there's no point having a mind if you can't change it, and maybe down the line as I get closer to fulfilling my true erging potential I will possibly change my eating habits.

But I can honestly say I am one of those deluded people who quite likes himself the way he is and I simply accept the way I look. The world would not agree mind.

These days I tend to eat only fish, chicken, fruit, nuts, pasta, bread and rice, but not in any particular quantity. I like the taste of those foods and am one of those lunatics who grew up on fish and could eat it morning, noon and night. Most people would be disgusted at that thought!

I do tend to drink mostly water or cordials and I've never been able to stand tea or coffee without sugar in it, preferably not at all, but if everyone in the office drinks the stuff, better to give in to peer pressure on the odd occasion.

My vices tend to be a couple of glasses of wine or whiskey a week and don't ask me to give up chocolate. I've never really been into beer and I can take or leave cakes.

I think, Speedy, the main thing for me is sleep. I would be no good as a spy because if I was deprived of quality sleep for just one night I would tell the enemy exactly what he wanted to hear. If I sleep well then I am well.

Do you follow any particular eating plan? Does anyone for that matter? What's been your experience? Has it been of benefit to you? At your level of performance, Speedy, I would imagine you have to be very careful what, when and how much you eat.

regs
Bernard Pru
dadams
QUOTE(Prufrock @ Sep 15 2005, 01:01 PM)

Do you follow any particular eating plan?  Does anyone for that matter?  What's been your experience?  Has it been of benefit to you?  At your level of performance, Speedy,  I would imagine you have to be very careful what, when and how much you eat. 

regs
Bernard Pru
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I do have a very strict eating regime when I'm in full training mode. No need to put s**t gas in the tank when you're trying to get the best gas milage.

I do notice quite a difference too. The biggest thing is cutting out sugar. I don't do any refined sugar of any sort. That gives me a very solid baseline as to what my energy levels are. No false sugar spikes.

If the competition is in a boat, then I try to lose as much weight at possible without cutting into my power. I did a pretty good job of that in Edmonton this past July. I got down to around 90 kg and maintained (if not improved a bit) all of my power.
wilko51
Rubbish day today...only 6k but a pretty quick 1K at 7.00/2K pace and no after effects at all. In fact was only marginally out of breath at 1k so the confidence is building.

To all US based Taffs....I'm in Boston next week so any recommendations about places to visit etc?

Mike
wilko51
QUOTE(wilko51 @ Sep 15 2005, 07:25 PM)
Rubbish day today...only 6k but a pretty quick 1K at 7.00/2K pace and no after effects at all. In fact was only marginally out of breath at 1k so the confidence is building.

To all US based Taffs....I'm in Boston next week so any recommendations about places to visit etc?

Mike
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Just checked my hotel and it has ergs! Yessssss.....with 5 hrs of jet lag (up early) I could do some massive k's next week
Niall
QUOTE(Prufrock @ Sep 15 2005, 01:01 PM)

I have to admire Niall for losing all of his weight
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It's okay Bernard, I didn't lose all of it, I've still got 72.6kg of my weight left tongue.gif
Prufrock
QUOTE(Niall @ Sep 15 2005, 01:56 PM)
QUOTE(Prufrock @ Sep 15 2005, 01:01 PM)

I have to admire Niall for losing all of his weight
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It's okay Bernard, I didn't lose all of it, I've still got 72.6kg of my weight left tongue.gif
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wilko51
Wow...loads of us online....anyone using IM as well?
Prufrock
Hi all


Only 9k tonight. Some football was on telly and I couldn't get my machine downstairs in time to row while watching. Never mind I'll know what to do next time. smile.gif

Speedy, what foods do you eat in order to lose weight but still retain power? And in what quantity? I like the gas in the tank analogy!

Niall, am I right in suggesting you have lost more than 12 kilos in less than a year? That's about 2 stones in old money! ohmy.gif

Impressive stuff.

regs
Bernard
chippy
QUOTE(AussieTaff @ Sep 14 2005, 01:13 AM)
Hi Chippy,

I was wondering how the 2K training program was going - good on you for holding sub 6:50 pace for so long on your last try, can't be too far off cracking it now (Enfield ?). I needed your post to get me firing again after a month of just mooching around at the gym living off recent PB glories but doing stuff all on the rower.

So set the thing to 2K today and managed a 6:51.8  smile.gif  DF 111 and SPM 31 and felt pretty good (until 20 mins afterwards when the euphoria wore off and everyone else in the gym tired off hearing about it !). First 500m was right on the money 1:42.5 and I then let it slide out to 1:44s for the next 1000m which left me feeling strong enough to come home reasonably strong and more importantly, in control. Maybe try this pacing next time Rob and with your power the last 500m should see the 6:50 go down. Secret seems to be doing the middle 1000m at about 95% and not on the edge (which makes the last 500m seem insurmountable).

Thanks for providing the motivation my friend,

Martin  smile.gif
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Martin
Great effort to hit 6.51, so close to the honey. smile.gif I will take your advise on pace next time i have a go at 2k. wink.gif Did the first 500m in 1.40.2 in my failed attempt
Which was a bit to fast.

Chippy ph34r.gif
have a go at 2k
seat5
QUOTE(Lynsey @ Sep 14 2005, 05:55 PM)
QUOTE(seat5 @ Sep 14 2005, 08:56 AM)
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Carla, I'll definately be in the 100K challenge now that I realise that it's not a 24 hour timeframe (always takes me a while to realise that in the US it's MMDD not DDMM for dates - wonder how the different convention came about ?) biggrin.gif Maybe now Lynsey is back in action and pretty close to you in total metres the 2 of you could have a bit of rivalry on the metres board


Sounds like a great idea!
Well you are doing much more than that already; this is really only motivational for folks like me that are just getting back in the swing. But if all us malingerers get on with it, the Taffs will rise in the standings again!

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Carla, Martin,
I'll join in the 100k challenge and am happy to pick up the gauntlet for who gets to 500k first (reckon I'll make 400k before you Carla!) or any other goal we can think up.

Niall,
the website looks very promising - are the stats for this season or lifetime best? I've gone backwards since last year and haven't got any times for this season as I've been following a training plan rather than doing set distances. As for suggestions - it'd be good to see some challenges up there for the team ... and that would probably get people going in and using the website.
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Hi Lynsey! I imagine you will get to 400K before me, but it would be fun to race you to 500K. I guess today is the first day of the 100K challenge (I don't know why they picked 9/15 to 10/15, but it works for me!) How about, whoever gets to 500K first has to mail the other one a goofy prize?
Niall
QUOTE(Prufrock @ Sep 15 2005, 05:01 PM)


Niall, am I right in suggesting you have lost more than 12 kilos in less than a year?  That's about 2 stones in old money! ohmy.gif

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I've lost 15 kilos (2.5 stones) in the last year. I was 88kg in August 2004 and 73kg in July 2005. My weight is pretty much stable around the 73kg mark now. If you click on My Blog and take a look at the Weight Loss Record on the left hand side, you'll see the progress I made over the year.

I lost 8kg in four months as a result of doing the million metre challenge. I then got stuck on 80kg for the next five months until I had some dietary advice from Eddie (coach). Armed with this information, I then lost a further 7kg in the following 3 months.

The dietary guidance I had is now part of my lifestyle so I wouldn't call it a "diet" as such as I always look on diets as short-term.

I've certainly never been as fit or slim as I am now. I've had to buy new trousers/jeans as I've lost 6 inches off my waist as a result of the weight loss (down to 30inch waist now). The other change in my life is that I get more attention from my wife now too tongue.gif .
Daren C
QUOTE(wilko51 @ Sep 15 2005, 08:15 PM)
Wow...loads of us online....anyone using IM as well?
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I use MSN, these days. eurogamerdaren at msn.com if anyone wants to add me.
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