In behavioral psychology this type of behavior is called "negative reinforcement." They say the way to "extinguish" the behavior is to ignore it. Others have suggested this, it's worth a try!

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Ok, Taffs!
Let's just all do "ignore user" here. I don't think we should allow this to destroy our teamwork. How about it?


I gave the 6K another shot but it was no good. I blew out at 1K to go, just couldn't keep going at that pace. The mistake I made was to get intrigued by the pace boat function on my new PM3. I set it for 1:58.0, just .3 faster than my last one. The problem was, the pace boat toots along at exactly the average you set, so it destroyed my plan of trying to negative split it. I couldn't stand letting the boat get ahead at the beginning. Last time I had been at 1:59.4, just creeping down as I got closer to the end, and did a big kick in the last 500 to bring it down to 1:58.3, but this time I was trying to maintain that pace and it was too fast too early. Theoretically it's supposed to be easier on you to just hold a pace but it sure didn't feel like it. Maybe psychological but right when I should have been hanging on and then sprinting I just couldn't make myself hurt that bad and ended up paddling in.

As soon as I've posted this I'm going to go check out the "ignore user" function for the first time--I hope everyone else opts for this, too, so we can carry on without all this assinine, crude, time wasting blather.

I just had a go at the 6k, too, Carla. One of the great points of RowPro is that it allows one to row against a previous row of your own, or to download other people's rows and row against them. For my row today, I set it up to row against my previous row from 2 weeks or so ago. The advantage of this is that it doesn't shoot off at an average pace, but rows along with varying pace, shadowing how one rowed in that piece. All I had to do was keep my nose ahead.

Worked a treat, and I knocked off another 29 seconds or so. I'll tell you what, though. I'm glad it's the last one I "have" to do for a while. =)

Sorry to hear you didn't make it this time Carla. Going to give it another go??

Daren - Outstanding run mate. 29 seconds is quite a bit.

Going to have the wife cox me through my run on Saturday. It worked pretty well with the last 1k on my last run, so maybe her coxing me the whole way will help even more. We'll find out on Saturday won't we?

I'm glad it over too - 22:14.4 (27 secs better)
I had a Pirate ship to chase! didnt catch him tho, the little tease.
I would say it was good fun, but it wasn't

Carla - What is a "6 K unlimited"? I will try but how do you do it? I am not from "Wales', so am not sure if it is okay.

Citroen - Excuse my late reply, will e-mail you the information, thanks for taking the time to do this.

6k - as fast as you can go - no limit on stroke rate.

Next month :

30 minutes 20 strokes per minute : as far as you can go.

Doesn't matter that you're not from Wales. You're part of Taff Attack, so that's all that matters.

Well done Chris me old matey on the 22.14 6K. Must have been a tough one yet pleasing to do so well. You are right, I haven't got a better 6K in me (stunned to see that one actually as I started out with the intention of sub 22 mins only) so the Taff II boat will have to be accelerated along by the others.

Great row Carla to go sub 2:00 pace for 6K the other week - the first time ?

Cheers all from hot (35C+), humid Qld. Have a tiptop New Year all.

Martin

Hey, great to hear from you, Scott! I hope you give that 6K a go as by now you've heard from everyone what "unlimited" is--the challenge ends 12/31 so there's not much time! Do you think you can land in the Taff I boat?

Speedy, I'll try again...this time, without the pesky pace boat to distract me. I think the pace boat would have been helpful if I could have had it to do "re-row", but that workout wasn't on PM3, so no chance to do that. It would be helpful to have a cox again, too. It helped to have my sister there for the last 1K or so, even though she didn't even know when to yell. My family is going to be away skiing so I don't know if I can find anyone around but it surely would help. It sounds like you are planning on another shot yourself, good for you.

Martin, you are in the middle of hot summer I guess and I don't imagine it's very conducive to racing! Yes it was the first sub 2:00 6K (3rd try at the challenge, though).

Off to check the CTC site and see how many seconds we're off 3rd. Krysta Coleman is planning another shot with some new stroke rate strategy so I really have to try again!

Daren, that's great! a big improvement and now I'll never catch you again probably. I'm pretty sure I can do "re-row" with the PM3, too, but the one I wanted to re-row was on PM2 and so I couldn't do that. Too bad you can't program the pace boat (on a new workout) to negative split.

Anyway great job on your new 6K, what a great way to end 2005!

Doug, I see from another thread you blew away your 6K time yesterday or today...now I can't find it again. But congrats on the PB!!

Taffs! great work on the 6k fight...Alas! I must hang my head in shame as I cannot better my time. that last 1k just sucks the life out of me...I will try one more time but dont hold yer breath.

No need for hanging your head in shame Spectre. The fact that you're willing to give it another go shows the true team spirit running through your veins!

Heart of a Dragon!!

OK, I'm going off to do a 6K warm up and then IT. Dave (my husband) is going to cox me the last 1500 meters. I came home from work for a few hours to do this and when he could be here to yell at me and then I'm going back to work. I sure don't want to do this!!! my hands are all clammy and my stomach is yucko and I've felt like a caged animal all morning with the dread of it, o help

Take care , good luck.

Happy happy!

I did it!
23:36.6 PB by 4 seconds, so only shaves less than a second off our boat average. If Dave wasn't there I don't think I would have made it, in fact with 100m to go I stopped a second and rowed on about 1/8 slide for a few strokes before a final frantic, gaggin sprint.

And it's got the IND_V!!!!!

That's great.

I tried it too, and did not make it.

Maybe tomorrow another try , maybe.

Great row Carla, Your spirit and determination has to be admired

Unfortuantely I have not been able to get a decent attempt in over the past couple of days. I tried this morning but did not get very far at all, my mind has been on family duties over the festive period.
I am off Skiing at 4 am Saturday so am afraid I will not have another go.

Best of luck to anyone who has a go tommorow otherwise I wish everyone a Very Happy New Year and rewarding erging in 2006.

Phil

Awesome, Carla! Very well done. I didn't realise these rows have placed you firmly at the top of the pile for your age group. Very impressive stuff, indeed.

Carla

You are a inspiration to the whole team.

Brilliant. Well done, Carla.

I'm glad it's over, I don't want to do another 6K for a long time. I hate 6Ks.

Roll on January and the 30 mins at 20 strokes per minute. I want to get to 7,500m for that one. The only trouble with rate restricted stuff is that it favours the tall heavies - since they can get a better distance per stroke.

I just hate this slow rows - I feel like I am starting over and over again - must me doing something wrong.

Cyfarchion y tymor a Dymuniau Gorau ar gyfer y Flwyddyn Newydd
Hello fellow Taffs, I wish you all a merry Christmas and Happy New Year from myself and all the family.
I was looking at the January team challenge, is it just total meters rowed? If so I would like to compete in this along with you, If you can please sign me up or explain to me how to sign up. Thanks all I am better at long rows then speed. Mikez

Hi Mike! Glad to hear from you. We can sure use your meters for the January meter challenge. The Cross Team Challenge is 30 min at 20 spm--that could be a good event for you, too.

Happy New Year!

Hey Doug,
So that will be 12.5 meters per stroke.

Last year we had a Taff Challenge for the 30 min at 20 spm. The goal was to try to hit your PB. Speedy actually did it after I think 4 tries. It was amazing. I went for it a mess of times and came within 85 meters. I don't remember if anyone else tried it or not--Godfried, do you still have the stats somewhere? 7251 is 12.09 mps. and I didn't try again after that, it was a killer.

Should be interesting to see who ends up in Taff 1 for this one!

I actually like the distance.
You know what's silly?
This is only 1 second off my supposed 2K pb.
How absurd. I really should do a 2K and find out what it really is. But not today. \
Now there's a distance I HATE.

Nice row Carla!

Sorry if I am invading your Taff Attack thread, but I don't know where else to post this:

Congratulations, Carla!

Your ever-improving times keep amazing me - I can't wait to see what you're going to do with your 2k now, if this last 6k was only one second off your old 2k pace.

Anyway, keep up the good work. It is definitely inspiring. I sometimes think I am soon to be past my prime age for sport, but then I see what you and Carole Mac and my other "elders" are doing and it keeps me motivated.

You're not an invader, you're a guest!

Thanks. I'm afraid that my 6K is at its best right now, so if you are going to try today, I won't be challenging you.

Past your prime? goodness, you are just a baby! and will be surpassing us old folks soon with the intensity of your training, and coaching by PaulS.

As for my 2K, I will probably avoid doing anything about it at all or at least procrastinate on it until 4/30 and just do it to get a score in the box for Nonathlon. I'm petrified of 2Ks.

Happy New Year! and the good luck on your 6K attempt today. It will feel very sweet after the Row Pro mess up you had the other day.

Just PM to Citroen with your first name, last name and e-mail address , see here

Carla, you really are the Wonder Woman of the Taff Attack team. That 6K time is staggering especially when compared with your 2K PB pace. Mindblowing!!

I wish I was able to report a similar sort of success over the 6K distance. Was not looking forward to it as my performances of late have been very poor and I've had sniffles and sore throat for the last week.

Just got home after my attempt and I have to hang my head in shame . My target was 1:53 pace. I started well and kept pretty well to the target pace up until about 5mins in then I started to feel seriously tired and lethargic. Slowed the pace down to 2:00 but just felt weaker and weaker. Got to 10mins and I stopped. Had a bit of a think and kept telling myself "the team need another time to complete an extra boat". So after 40 secs or so, I restarted at a very conservative pace of 2:04-2:07 .

Rallied for the final 500m just for my own good but obviously the damage had been done by then. Crossed the line in a very embarrassing 24:30.1.

Splits (if you're interested):
1:51.1 r27
1:52.6 r27
1:55.8 r27
2:00.6 r25
1:59.7 r25
2:41.7 r18
2:03.9 r24
2:04.2 r23
2:04.7 r24
2:05.9 r23
2:01.4 r25
1:48.5 r30

HR graph for the session:

Niall
Sorry mate but i think you just took the TART title of Chris Better luck with the
30 min x 20spm
Just my opinion fella but i think your over trained Think you need to throw your schedule in the bin for a week or 2,have a few beers and relax,


Chippy

I agree with Chippy... take a bit of a break maybe. But no shame, sir!!! for pushing yourself when you were obviously just not quite right for the workout at that moment.

BTW it only means my 2K is a joke. I should be doing like 7:30...ewwwww no no no no no ....

Last time I ever want to do this!!!!!!

19:16.2 with help from the wife the whole way.

Speedy

Someone please log this in for me (I don't have a password). Thanks.

Dougie:

Just sent you a PM with the name of another team member for the January Challenge. Let me know if you received it.

Thanks -- Mark

Based on Dougie-boy's private message to me and your messages here on the forum, your team is going to be quite a gay endeavor.

I hope you are including Daren. He will be hurt if you don't.

Please leave me out of it though.

We certainly will. Thanks John.

Daren,

Please hurry and show your cohorts your program.

It will be nice to get rid of all the whining and complaining.


When a true genius appears in this world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.

-- Jonathan Swift

Job done Speedy, I've added your new time to the CTC website. Awesome result man, true grit. No worries about doing it again (this month anyway) as we're onto 30mins at 20spm for next month!

Whoops, Mark. That's no way to end the year. Start working on your resolution right away. Courage, resistance, and persistance - these are necessary to overcome addition.

Bob S.

I noticed that too, Bob.

Apparently this is going to be quite a long journey.

Speedy, you are The Man!!! I have to go look at the CTC and see how we stand. Hey, what was your first shot at this? I can't remember and wanted to know how much improvement you got over the month.

Does Mrs. Speedy count for you all the way? Or just be there? I had Dave count for me at the end, but I have to teach him what I want, which is to start each 100m with 1 and count till the next 100 and start over again, not count to 10 and start over if the next 100 meters hasn't started. If you know what I mean. It was helpful he was there but next time I'll tell him better what would help the most.

The team challenge has started. And thanks to Speedy's 57K today, TAFF ATTACK are in 1st place.

http://www.concept2.com/sranking03/team/teamStandings.asp?re_index=28

But there are still some Taffs and Taffettes who haven't sent me their details. (We've also gained a few unofficial Taffs.)

• Dwayne K. Adams
• Chris Adams
• David A. Alden
• Jonathan Ashmore
• Daren Chandisingh
• Kappy Griffith
• Charles Henderson
• Dougie Lawson
• Andrew Mainprice
• Sharon Mainprice
• Mark Pukita
• Robert Redmond
• Lynsey Richards
• Carla Stein
• Mike Taylor
• Phil Tilley
• Mark Tomsho
• Niall Williams

If you're not on the list and you want to be, please send me a PM with your Name, Surname and e-mail addresss (as used on the C2 Online Ranking system).

Also, don't be scared to invite non-Taffs, this isn't related to your official team affiliation. You can be in Team Oarsome or MAD and the Taff Attack virtual team.

Not any more, we ain't. Down to 4th place now. That said, we're only 2254m behind 2nd place, so I might go and rattle that off now, to add to my 25km so far today. It's all metres for the team, innit? Anyone rowed today but not updated their online logbook yet?

Just pinged Citroen to sign me up

Only did 12k today but have a free Monday morning

I did another 5km just now, but it seems it was futile because in the intervening 25 minutes or so, other people must have updated their distances. We're still in 4th place on total distance. Still, we're in 1st on average distance (20237m). \o/

I see Byron Drachman is rowing for "TCBA periplaneta americana" in this challenge. What's that, Byron?